Back to One
You were meant for a full life. However, whatever you experience over and over while you were growing up, becomes your "normal" and we humans are very good at reproducing whatever is "normal" to us. That is fantastic for a few, but really stinks for so many others. Between what you believe about life and the losses you've faced, you may want to break up with your "normal" and discover a life that exceeds your expectations. Imagine getting comfortable with a better "normal".
We can become whole inside, and life can exceed our expectations. Let hope arise as we talk about healing and wholeness in every area of life.
Note: The former name for this podcast was "3Ps in a Pod". You'll hear that in the introductions of older episodes from 2020-21; "Back to One" better fits my hope for us all.
Back to One
Faith and Neuroscience for Heart Healing with Susan Wright
How can brain science and spiritual growth work hand-in-hand to heal emotional wounds? Join us as we sit down with Susan Wright, the founder of Loved Into Life, to uncover her revolutionary approach to heart healing. Susan’s ministry goes beyond traditional methods, integrating cutting-edge brain science and deep spiritual principles to address long-standing emotional pains. She passionately discusses her mission to make Jesus real to people and how living from the heart instead of past traumas can lead to profound transformation.
In this inspiring conversation, Susan shares real-life examples of miraculous healing and the significant impact unresolved emotional issues can have on physical health. We delve into how negative belief systems and parental deficits shape our self-worth and worldview. Susan’s insights reveal the holistic approach needed to dismantle these barriers, integrating spirit, soul, and body for complete healing. Whether you’ve experienced minor emotional disturbances or severe traumas, Susan emphasizes that true freedom and restoration through faith are attainable, and you don't need to relive the trauma.
Discover how recognizing and transforming triggers rooted in past trauma can lead to deeper healing and alignment with your faith. Susan explains how embracing our true identity in Christ allows us to live in abundance and let go of old coping mechanisms. Learn practical steps to reconnect with yourself and God, and how this process can improve relational dynamics and communication in both personal and professional settings. This episode is a powerful testament to the life-changing potential of integrating brain science with spiritual truths, enabling you to live a more fulfilling and connected life.
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Hey, I'm Lenora Turner, host of Back to One Podcast. I haven't been recording for a while but I just really wanted to record an episode with Susan Wright. She started something called Loved Into Life and it's about heart healing in a way that is transformational. It includes brain science. It includes you know why we get stuck or why things trigger us or why we struggle so long with some of the same pains and how it can really be mended. Your heart can completely be made whole, and I mean it doesn't mean it necessarily all happens at once, but certain things will happen at once or at that single time with Susan. Or if you learn the principles, you can absolutely do it all by yourself. This is a good hour episode. Please listen.
Speaker 1:If you struggle with anxiety or depression or anger or different patterns in your life, you're thinking how do I get out of this? You don't realize it might be something where your heart's kind of broken. You have had no idea how to get some healing for it. That's been me in a few cases and I've learned a lot from other people and personal growth things in my life. So we're going to talk about a lot of things. But please listen to this. Take the time to learn about Loved Into Life and Susan Wright. And again, I am now doing this stuff all on my own when things come up and I'm helping other people with some real stuff. So I'll stop talking and go into this episode. I hope you listen to the whole thing. Enjoy. I'm just going to dive right in, let's do it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, susan Wright, I am so excited and honored and blessed to have you as a guest on this podcast. Thank you so much for taking the time for this conversation.
Speaker 2:Wow, lenora. It's my passion to share this, and so it's a great honor and privilege for us to have this time together, and it's my prayer that whoever listens to it will receive an impartation and awareness and understanding of who Jesus is, who they are and how loved they are. Are and how loved they are to see that he really does want to have a very unique personal relationship with all of us and for us to thrive. He wants us to thrive in union with him and others, and so that's my heart behind everything I do. It's interesting I heard a TV show that Catherine Coleman was interviewing Amy.
Speaker 1:Simple, I love.
Speaker 2:Catherine Coleman. I know, isn't she great. She was interviewing Amy Sybil McPherson's children, wow, and I know, and I was like what? That's a pretty unique show, right. And she was talking with those children. She said I was at your mom's grave and I was standing behind some people and there was a lady that was talking with her child and said this lady mentored me and I didn't even know her. And she said the way that she mentored me was she made Jesus real to me and Lenora, that that is like seared into me. That's I live to. Let that be the legacy that the Lord would use me and reflect himself in that, when I'm around people, that Jesus becomes more real.
Speaker 1:Oh, absolutely. And we haven't even told the audience really who you are yet and I will do a separate little intro for that anyway. But I met you about two years ago at what it was at church in Seattle, near Seattle, washington, eden, newcastle, and I thought, okay, I really liked you. I thought, wow, it's very obvious that Jesus is a center of this and that should be true of anyone who's quote ministering or helping people and believe in Jesus Christ. But it was so evident. That is your key focus and and it's not just let's tell you what he did 2,000 years ago it's this is what he's doing right now, because he already did everything, it's a finished work.
Speaker 1:And then I watched people's lives be transformed in front of my eyes. I believe in, I'm all in, I believe in everything he says in the Bible in the sense of I studied, actually studied, blood covenant when I went to Bible school. That was my term paper, for my second year was a 30 page paper on blood covenant, knowing it's like marriage God's all in, it's everything. His, his property is everything is all in. And so I heard and I saw that such a present day representation in what you're doing, that's what it is. He's still all in, he's still right here, he is alive, but he's not alive somewhere else. He's alive and right in the middle of what we need.
Speaker 1:So I remember saying when there was a Q and a at the end and I said do you have a book? Cause I'm like I've sought different things I and I already have. God has helped me many ways. But I went you have explained this so well, please write a book. And then you I met you again this year this earlier this year again, watching like some people have seen physical healing.
Speaker 1:I've received physical healing multiple ways. I don't have time for those kind of stories, but I was like God, I want to see more for heart healing. People are struggling, there's so much hurt and then I'm going in here. It is this is the best, quickest example, and there's some great things out there, great tools out there, but this was so right now, in front of my face, I'm watching hearts be mended and it's been happening to me and now I'm starting to help other people. So your ministry is called Loved Into Life. So, susan, how did you end up calling it that? I love the name and tell us more about who Susan is and how you got even doing what you do.
Speaker 2:Wow, that's a lot to unpack. This is going to be a four hour podcast.
Speaker 2:That's right, but just in short, lenora, the loved into life was. It took me a long time to finally land on a name that I was happy with. The phrase living from your heart, not your history, actually came first and that's a tagline, or beyond it. Not your history actually came first and that's a tagline, or beyond it. And then it was like, okay, we've got the phrase, now what is it? What is it? And it was just. It happened. One day. It was like, yes, I say this all the time when I'm working with people he's loving you into life. He's loving you into life. And it was like, of course, that's the name Loved into life, living from your heart, not your history.
Speaker 2:And the way this whole thing happened was quite a surprise. It wasn't a planned thing. I wasn't one of these that had a vision from the Lord that this is what your mandate in life is. I was on my own journey, lenora. I needed my own transformation. I suffered a lot of things that no person should ever suffer as a child and, as a result, life was very scary for me. People were very scary to me, and when I got born again, my life started transforming, obviously, but throughout the years, more would surface, as I would, I'd be ready. More would surface, and so I was on this journey for myself, and as I did that, I literally went around the world looking for the next anointed thing that was happening.
Speaker 2:It was a journey, it was a quest for Jesus, for more of Jesus. The passion that really motivated me was I tasted and I saw that he is good. When I first got baptized in the Holy Spirit, I had an encounter with his love that undid me spirit. I had an encounter with his love that undid me, and so it opened up, with inside of me an awareness that there's more, an awareness that's more. And so the quest for knowing more of his love and knowing him in a more intimate way, and anything that would hinder that flow was my desire. And as he meets us right and he transforms us and he heals us and he delivers us and he sets us free, because that's who he is, yeah and yeah, so many things. I went to everything that was available. Anytime I heard of any kind of fruit, I was.
Speaker 1:I went, cause you're saying you had a lot of depression in the past right, which is rampant these days too, and you had a lot of depression in the past right, which is rampant these days too.
Speaker 2:I had a lot of things. Depression was one thing. I had a lot of fear. I had a lot of confusion. I had a lot of very strong attachment, fear and pain of losing the people that I loved. I had a lot of things that were churning on the inside, that were very contradictory to what it means to have an abundant life, and depression was one of them, of course. And I tell people, there's not too much. I didn't go through that. He redeemed me from and he set me free from. I'm just, I'm humbled and blown away. Many times.
Speaker 2:When people say, susan, tell me about yourself, I can say let me just tell you I'm a walking miracle. I'm a walking miracle. I'm a walking miracle. But, lenore, the thing I like to focus in on is not so much what the enemy did to my life, but what the Lord did, and he's transforming me and changing me every day, and the reason that Loved Into Life even came into existence is because of the fruit of what he has done in my life. I would get a measure of breakthrough and people would say what happened? And I'd say you can have it too. I'd get another measure, you can have it too. Another measure, you can have it too, and I had a lot of friends that were therapists at the time and they would say, look, you know how to talk to these people from the inside out. Will you help me with my clients? And so I started doing it that way.
Speaker 1:When you say how to breakthrough that's a term, I understand that. Sometimes it's just so thrown around, but what did they see that saw something's different. When you say breakthrough, what is that? What do you mean?
Speaker 2:Many things and I use that word to be all inclusive but the biggest and the most significant changes, I will say, were that of not being depressed but being more filled with joy and being more present, more relational, more motivated, more entering into life, more productive, the fruit of what it looks like to be thriving, and so any kind of marker that I had that wasn't that they could see a significant change and freedom and say, wow, you were that and now you're different, and the breakthroughs are so multiple.
Speaker 1:I could go into several of them, but it's basically they could see that something happened yeah, you actually were a person that your depression was actually gone and it wasn't a pill that did it. You could see that you actually could sit still and be peaceful. I can tell you because you and I have worked together very recently on something and I'm like my brain is not trying to figure everything out constantly. I didn't realize how much, not constantly but I thought, wow, it's actually not being the machine, that it was. You just see that or the oh. I don't have that tight in my heart that I did, and I've heard some of the stories from other team members you've had. Total sicknesses have gone away. Tangible change, actual shift, an actual difference from a single encounter Again, that's another word that's thrown around a lot, but Jesus actually doing what he does because he paid for it all.
Speaker 2:Exactly so, to your point. Every time I sit with a person, I see a miracle. Every time when that person is there in front of me, I watch the Lord Jesus transform something that was birthed from an experience that never should have happened. And it was their way, their coping mechanism, it was their thinking pattern, it was their way they felt, the way they live. The list goes on. Because every experience that we've had in our entire life creates belief systems. They have to want it, their will has to be wanting this and desire to appear there. And we begin to connect and we begin to allow the Lord to dismantle that and destroy and completely do the divine exchange of what was broken and what was built from something that was not his heart. And we see that divine exchange. Then he really does transform us, he really does change our brain, he really does change the wiring.
Speaker 2:I literally watch a miracle of that particular belief, that particular thing that we bring because it's got a strong hold on somebody. It could be a strong hold. I don't like to put a label on it because it's got a strong hold on somebody. It could be a strong hold. I don't like to put a label on it because it limits, because, quite frankly, I like to use this phrase, this is the phrase I like to use a lot If it doesn't look like Jesus, then it's an opportunity to be transformed, and so I've seen physical healings.
Speaker 2:A friend of mine was getting ready to have gallbladder surgery and we worked with all the things that were around that, the belief systems, the fears, the structures, the thing, all that her body took on because our body takes on things, everything that was around that we started dismantling it as Holy Spirit allowed us to and led us into the places, to the point that 10 days later she didn't have to have gallbladder surgery because she was healed. So there's physical, emotional, all kinds of transfer, anything that Jesus died for. He said that you can have it. You can have it, yeah, and our spirit, soul, body is all connected.
Speaker 1:So if you're stressed out all the time or depressed all the time, that's impacting your health, that's impacting your mind. All of it works together.
Speaker 2:Yeah, in fact, medical science is now reporting that 95% of all diseases not traumatic accidents, of course, but diseases or have their system in an emotional upset of some sort. That's pretty phenomenal when you think about it. We're very interconnected spirit, soul and body.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I've heard enough and had different friends in the past. That helped me, thank God I'd heard different things and then I saw the validation of what they were telling me about the connection and the physical impact, because at first it sounded like this is hooky pooky stuff. Come on, you know, just eat better or just whatever. And I went oh, and I'd start seeing how it was impacting myself. But again my passion, because I've been through some rough stuff, nothing like what some people have been through but, even the milder versions of scary, chaotic upbringings can make pretty crippling impacts as well, so it doesn't really matter.
Speaker 1:What it is you're facing is. What are you stuck in, can you? I could already want to go several different directions, but I want to ask a question first, and then a shift into a little bit on the brain science. Can you say something, a bit about the range of things you work with, and then I want to talk a bit about the brain science and why we get stuck from past things yes, of course.
Speaker 2:So I really have a strong belief system that when Jesus says it is finished, then it's all inclusive and it means that it really is finished. And he really did pay the price for our freedom. No matter what happened to us or no matter what we've done as a result of that, he is our victory and he paid the price for us to enter into the fullness of the freedom that he set before us. And all of this happened, lenora, before the foundation of the earth. He died before the foundation of the earth. So there are no surprises with him. He lives outside of time. He's all-knowing, he's all-present and he's all-powerful. And when he and the Trinity, when they were dreaming of us and prophesying about us, they made full provision for us to enter into all that they dreamed that we would live in.
Speaker 2:And I really know that, no matter what an individual is suffering, no matter what an individual is going through, he has made a way so many times. People that suffer really rough stuff. People feel powerless to help them, and I would, too, if I looked at their situation. For instance, I don't know if you've heard of satanic ritual abuse survivors.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I've heard of it.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so people have been purposely hurt, purposely subjected to inhumane things, and it's overwhelming if you listen to their stories and you think it seems to be impossible. But with the Lord all things are possible and I can. I say to you right now that when I work with people that have gone through that and I'm seeing them transform and thriving and entering back into life and knowing their value, their worth and their freedom, and so I don't limit anyone the way I look at it, if they've got a heart and a desire for Jesus, if they've got a desire to no longer live that way, then I'll team up with them. I've seen marriages restored.
Speaker 2:I've seen teenagers, children, just all kinds of freedom from depression, from anxiety, from spiritual abuse, from all kinds of different other types of abuse, as well as the things that don't seem to be as obvious are actually, in my opinion, the worst many times, and that is the things that we did not receive, that we were meant to receive. The Lord created us to be able to be fully loved, fully valued, fully seen and thrive thrive and to thrive in this world. But our parents all have deficits. Too Many times we didn educated us that kind of thing, but they didn't know how to help us with our inner world, with our thoughts, with our feelings like that, and so many times we live in a place where the world just is not safe because we weren't ever connected to that that deficit of your parent ends up becoming your belief system of I'm not worth it.
Speaker 1:You convinced because you come in, I mean your parents like god to you in the sense of they're responsible for your safety, for everything, and so you all the beliefs that you get from. Like you said, what you did receive, what you didn't receive is what how you interpret life and how you interpret your normal and but that that can be people's normals are all over the map. They can be, oh wow, that's pretty amazing. Like you had others, like it was normal for you to have in hell, that you were walking through or somewhere in the middle.
Speaker 1:Or, like you said, you can believe but you don't realize it. You have a deep-seated beliefs that you're not valuable and don't realize that's where it came from all those. There's so many facets yes, yes, yes.
Speaker 2:So many facets. And so when the individual is in front of me, like I say, it's like holy ground and I listen and try to connect with what the holy spirit is highlighting for them, because he wants to love them into life yeah, let's talk a little bit about the brain science, because I know that it's biblically based that jesus did pay for these things.
Speaker 1:He, he died on the cross to to take all of this off of us and was resurrected to prove that he did it. It was done. It was done for our sake.
Speaker 1:He didn't do this for his sake to prove something or be a martyr or something it was to set us free, not show us how to suffer, but to set us free from suffering. So but the brain science? We look at that. Why do we get stuck like we do? Why do people get so stuck? What's going on? Because I'd never quite even heard that verse. A double-minded person is unstable in all their ways. The way you communicated it, I I went. How did I not know this?
Speaker 2:Okay, I love to talk about the brain science because it's another way to talk about scripture, because anything that is relevant in brain science is going to have a presence in the scripture, because we, as we know, it's all there. It's all there and on my own journey, I would go through anything anybody told me to do. I was like in it and on it and doing it, and why? To be more intimate with the Lord, to be more one in one with him, to be more united with him. I've always had a passion to know him, to connect with him more and more.
Speaker 1:Because when you meet him, there's no place better to be, there's no one better to know.
Speaker 2:Exactly. But I knew there was things that were hindering me from fully getting there and fully receiving it. And it was like why do I have this internal tug of war when my belief system, my faith, my stance is Jesus and then why do I have this internal fear or things that hinder that connection? And it didn't make a bit of sense to me, especially when I would read scriptures like be transformed by the renewing of your mind, and I would be so diligent to not think things that weren't lined up with the scripture weren't from his heart, and yet it didn't seem like it was really going anywhere with me in these deep unconscious, these deep driving, innate feelings, these innate. It was such a mystery. It's like why am I doing everything I know to do and it's putting myself in the presence and doing everything and it's still not landing in these deep places?
Speaker 2:And then I started the brain science frontier started opening up and the brain imaging and people started understanding more and more about how we humans are designed and there's a lot of revelation that they bring forth that I love.
Speaker 2:But one thing that was massive for me is to understand that we have a thinking brain and an experiential brain and of course we know that, but the way that these neuroscientists articulated it was that every single experience that we've had creates belief systems, creates belief systems, and these belief systems are part of our thinking brain as well as our experiential brain, which means the subconscious, and so the subconscious messages and when I say messages I'm talking body sensations, feelings, thoughts, structures, coping mechanisms, fears, all anything like that. I call that a message from my subconscious and a belief system from our subconscious. And so I realized it started making sense to me. Oh wow, we've actually got two different brains in us that are communicating to us. And then the scripture that says a double-minded man is unstable in all his ways started making sense, because I would know that the Lord loves me and yet I would feel unlovable.
Speaker 2:I would know that the Lord said he would set me free and I couldn't get there. I would know that I'm his beloved, so why did I feel like such a reject? I would know that the joy of the Lord is my strength. So why would I feel oppressed? Why would I feel depressed? Why would I feel sad? Why couldn't I shake it? And so what neuroscience helped me unpack was that scripture that I had two very different communications going on One was my thinking and one was my experiential. And so as I began to venture into learning how to unpack and bring the transformation process into my experiential brain, that is when everything started changing for me. Everything.
Speaker 1:Wow, I again love it and it helped me understand better to go, oh, instead of thinking God, I know I should trust God. I know the scriptures. I know a bunch of scriptures about why it's trustworthy. I have a big Harkin Binds Expository Dictionary and the Naves Topical Bible. When I was fighting for joy, I would mark and I'd be speaking and I had some progress.
Speaker 2:I did have progress, and I did see results.
Speaker 1:The word of god is everything to me, yes, yes. But then you're like why am I struggling? So we, we take a look at that and you speak to it in this amazing, beautiful I mean you, just you. You see, god's gifted you to see very well, and you've been doing this for a long time and then we invite jesus right in and healing happens in a way that is profound. Yes, and should be. Of course, that would happen to all of us yes, and you know what it does happen.
Speaker 2:It's already made available for us, and the exciting thing about this, lenora, is that it's available. No one misses out. Everyone can have this. But what we have to do is we have to remember. We have to remember that Jesus is alive himself. Jesus is our word, he is the way, he is the truth, he is the life, he is experiential right this minute.
Speaker 2:In our western culture, we have dissected many things and we've made it. We've made so much of our life, not just our spiritual life, but we've made so much of our life in general a thought process rather than a relational connection. And so what has happened to us is we're both a thinking and an experiential person. He loves our thinking brain. He loves it and he wants it filled with the knowledge of the Lord. He wants us to be soaked in everything that the word says memorize it, take it in, consume yourself, be transformed. If a thought isn't Jesus, change it, have another one, make it Jesus. So he wants our thinking brain transformed, but he also wants our experiential brain transformed.
Speaker 2:But we cannot do it just by having another thought in our intellect. It has to be an experience. It has to be an experience. It has to be an experience, an experience based on the two greatest commandments that Jesus spoke of when he was on this earth. He said everything can be summed up in these two great commandments Love the Lord, your God, with everything, everything. And love your neighbor as you love yourself. Everything can be summed up in those two, so you can just take a deep dive into the realms of all. That means all that we could do it for eternity, and not unpack the fullness of what that means, because it's the foundation of union.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Igniting my heart with him, with myself and with others. And that's what he's asking for us to come together and to be loved. And so what we do in Loved Into Life is an invitation into the experiential transformation process of the part of us that I like to say many times it's the right brain versus the left brain. But it's the right brain, it's the subconscious, it's all the nonverbal. The left brain, but it's the right brain, it's the subconscious, it's all the nonverbal, it's the relational, it's the part of us that doesn't have to think, but it's actually a knee-jerk reaction, it's a response, it's core, it's much faster than the thinking brain. We know before we know. Our thinking brain is the last place to know anything and it's filtered through so many things that it's very unreliable, very unreliable.
Speaker 1:And so that's what's running us. It's really what we've already believed and been convinced of and persuaded of experienced.
Speaker 2:Exactly. And yeah, to your point earlier when you were talking about, you've done this to get the joy. That's great Good job, because what you've done is you've established what I like to call the plumb line, the standard, and I'll go back to the phrase again if it doesn't look like Jesus, it becomes an opportunity. Okay, let's establish the plumb line to be Jesus, trinity, jesus, the word, and I say that good theology is Jesus, so good theology is always going to. That was a quotation from someone, I don't know who, but I love it Because yeah, that's mine, because Jesus is good theology, right. So if it's not Jesus, it becomes an opportunity, and what that means is let's get our left brain standard. Yes, as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord. I align my will.
Speaker 2:I align my thinking, I align who I am, and I'm not tolerating anything other than Jesus. And so if something pops its head up as a message, feeling, a lie, a trick, an oppression, anything, then what's happened is you have just heard, you have just heard a message from something that you experienced historically. So you just heard a message from a historic event, and so that's when we begin to unpack that historic event in our subconscious.
Speaker 1:And is that really similar to what people call that inner child work? But I know you have some real perspective on that that I love, because we're not running around with a pack of little kids inside of us or something, because we're not running around with a pack of little kids inside of us or something. But yet there is some real truth to where you got stuck and it's, and how the right brain doesn't track time, Like they said. The left brain or that that part that's very linear is operates very differently from the one that responded and felt the impact of whatever happened and got stuck there. How did, how does that stuck happen?
Speaker 2:Yeah. So it's a lot like this, lenora. If I ask your left brain, lenora, when did you learn how to ride a bicycle? Your left brain would give me the time, the date, the season, the color of the bike, the age that you were. Now, if I ask your right brain, when did you learn how to ride a bicycle? You would feel the feelings, you would smell the smells, you would have an emotional awareness of it was a good day, it was a bad day, it was a fun day. Oh, I fell and broke my. That wasn't so good. Oh, the. And then you would see yourself at the age. You would have a little mini video sometimes and you would say, oh, look there, I am, there, I was, and you could remember yourself and the experiential aspects of it. And so that's how the difference in the way these two brains work.
Speaker 2:And so when someone is experiencing something that is overwhelming, too big, unresolved where I like to use this definition sometimes alone, without any help, all of these kinds of things can leave us stuck in an event that is unresolved and it's still in us, it still is creating structures that we live from, it's wired into us and the way that we, as humans, work is we have belief systems inside of us based on our experiences, and then, through association, those belief systems are brought forward. If you walked into the kitchen and the water was running, you would know what to do, because you're like, oh wow, I need to turn that water off because you have an association of how everything works, how everything's supposed to be, and so you would know how to function. And, in the same way, if you walked into the kitchen and fire was going on, you would know how to respond. You've got triggers, you've got things like that.
Speaker 2:If you walk into the kitchen and there's a stranger, that would bring up a whole nother set of emotions, another set of belief systems, up a whole nother set of emotions, another whole nother set of belief systems. If you walked in and there was your mom, that would bring some more, your sister, your brother. All of these work through association.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:And so what we want to do is we want to listen to what, how we're responding and how we're feeling, and what the association brings up, and we need to recognize, just like you have another thought over here you need to recognize oh, I need a new experience over here, because that experience did not have the Lord's perspective in it. That was laced with fear, that was laced with trauma, that was laced with upset, and Jesus died for that. And therefore it becomes an opportunity for me to have a new experience and be transformed. And so it's when you talk about him being stuck it's stuck, but it's a little different from almost being stuck, it's more. It's more like this If it has a life of its own. I don't know if you've ever seen anybody put a virtual reality headset. I like that analogy. Okay, when they put one of those on, they enter into an alternate reality.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, if you see somebody with got one of these realities headsets on and they're like fencing someone, and then they're like you know, you can see them respond to what they're looking at Right, and it becomes visceral, it becomes experiential, and if you hooked machines up to their body would register that this is really happening. They would feel it, their body would know it. All the chemical cascades, all the responses, all the reflexes, all the fear, happy, whatever, all of these things are going to be, through association, brought up, and so when the person takes the headset off, it takes them a minute to get refocused back into reality.
Speaker 2:Because, they're in an alternate reality, and this is what happens when one of these experiences comes forward. We go into that reality and guess what? We think, lenora? We think it's really happening to us. It feels like it's really happening to us, but it's not. It's coming from something historic that did happen to us.
Speaker 1:So I want to see if I'm hearing this right Like, say, someone is questioning you and then you should just get so easily offended by that, that that root of that is like why is that person like it's always walking on eggshells around them and it can be that they at their certain age they had to defend themselves because they were attacked all the time, or whatever, and anytime somebody questions they go into. That I must, I don't know, it's the fight mode, because they already that's just how they're going to try to protect themselves. That type of a thing is another example.
Speaker 2:Of course that's. That would be an experiential coping mechanism that worked as a child or that was all that was available to them, and yet they'll be destroying their relationships. Now, no-transcript. And now we can. I want to bring up this point because I don't want people to say, oh, I'm just wired for that, and then make an excuse and say, oh, oh, that behavior is something that I really want to be transformed from. But until then, I'm going to be accountable for it and not act and not hurt anyone not hurt myself, not hurting anyone else and have a behavior modification there till I'm transformed.
Speaker 1:Some self-control.
Speaker 2:some choices there, Till I'm transformed. Some self-control, some choices there, yeah some adult choices Because we're not allowed to hurt other people, and that kind of thing we have to be accountable for and recognize, unless we don't see it, and then we get to let other people show us and then we get to work on it.
Speaker 1:Well, you know what and I am a huge believer in self-control and in making choices and in being responsible for your own choices, your behaviors, not just saying this is what I do or it was your fault or it's always blaming somebody else but I also have seen people think that's the only thing that their christianity really offers. Is I just got to be better at making this rule happen like and you're it's like you think God's looking at you disappointed. Unfortunately, there's a lot. So much of that is the mentality of even what God is supposedly like. It's a it's huge problem. Well, I just you feel bad because you screwed up again and now I need to just stop doing that and perform better for the Lord. This, this is not what you're talking about.
Speaker 2:No, I'm not talking about that at all. That's why I say if it doesn't look like Jesus, it's an opportunity. Because you see what defines us, lenora? The word of God himself defines us. For believers, that means that we are a new creation.
Speaker 1:Your video loves it. When you do this, it puts up a thumbs up thing.
Speaker 2:Yay. So for believers, we're a brand new creation. We're one with him, we're grafted in, we're in union with him, we're seated in him. For those that are pre-believers you're created in his image and we're meant to have a life where we can be relational with ourselves, others, and we also want to have that wonderful relationship with the Lord as well, and he's designed us to thrive, he's designed us to live in that abundant place and we get to have that and anything else. That is not that guess what Guess what. It's not who we are. It is not who we are. It tells us what has happened to us. It does not define us. It tells us what has happened to us and how we've coped and how we survived, but it does not tell us who we are. And for that reason I say if it doesn't look like who, the truth, our true self, then we've just gotten in touch with a message, with something that is stuck, with something that is historic, that does not define us. It becomes an opportunity for that also to be transformed.
Speaker 1:When you're saying being who you really are, say a bit more about that, because I know how that can be misconstrued or not understood. Because who we are, when you've accepted christ, you're now one with him. It says we're one spirit. How much is that encompassed? What does what he did according to? When you're born again, when you're born from above, you totally receive what he did. How much?
Speaker 2:change happened there yes.
Speaker 2:Yes, exactly, according to the Trinity, then, the way he sees us as what he died for. When he said it is finished, he said there, it is this. Now you have full access into receiving and being the you that I have created you to be, and so he sees us, just as we are. So, lenora, the truth is that we're one with him. The truth is that we're seated with him in heavenly places. The truth is that we're overcomers, that we are a brand new creation, that the old things have passed away, that we died, we were buried and we rose with him. The truth is, we have the mind of Christ. The truth is that we are ambassadors from heaven to earth. The truth is that he sees us as his bride, as his child, as his beloved, as his co-labor, his co-ruler, his co reigner. He sees us as the beloved of his heart. He sees us as the joy that was set before him as he was hanging on the cross. He sees us as part of the family, which is the Trinity. He sees us as how we were created before the foundation of the earth. Before the foundation of the earth, when they were prophesying and dreaming and imagining us and creating us, every one of us so uniquely, authentically one, authentically different from each other. He had a plan for each one of us and he sees us through that lens.
Speaker 2:And then Lenora, what he's doing in our life and in our journey, he's inviting us into receiving that. Inviting us. He said come on, be it. Come on, be it. When he spoke about the Beatitudes, he said this is who you are. It's impossible apart from me, because this is really who I am. You can only do it in union with me. Come in, let go reckon those things dead, put off those other things and put on. So what we're doing is putting off and putting on. Putting off and putting on reckoning the old man dead, receiving the new man. That's part of what we're doing. We're receiving the finished work.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you're speaking to so many scriptures. If those that don't know much Bible, she's quoting a lot of scriptures. I love Ephesians 1, which talks about what great pleasure God took in planning for us, and he committed to deal with everything before we were ever formed. He's already. That's why I said he was crucified before the world, because when God's going to do something, he's going to do it. It actually happened at a certain time frame, but he's been all in from the beginning and he's covered everything. So it really is a change that happened. It's old things passed away. All things have become new.
Speaker 1:So having Jesus isn't a behavior modification program in the sense of now you're just supposed to be a good girl versus a bad girl. It's for real life happening. He says I am the way, I am the truth, I am the life. It's not like I'm going to do some good things and go away and now act like me. No, I'm with you, I'm in you. Yield to me and it's not just choosing it because it's a good idea. It's who I am in him and that's the safe place I'm convinced. If you don't know that there's some truth here, would you dare face the scary things, the terrible things you believe about yourself because of whatever happened, because I don't want to find out. Maybe I really am as worthless as I felt. But no, let him help you experience how much he loves you, because it is the truth.
Speaker 1:I can let those scary things go, because they're the lie.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and that's the, that is the hard part, because we have been many times. We suppress things, we push things away, thinking that we don't have to relive them because we didn't know what else to do and we were so afraid of our ourselves, really, because we're afraid that if we open that door to our inner world, to our heart, then we'll be flooded with the very things that we couldn't handle the first time around. And so we run, we hide, we medicate, we do all kinds of things to get rid of the pain I tried to just push it away.
Speaker 1:Stop bugging me. I'm going to try to do that and didn't even realize that's my own heart going.
Speaker 2:I hurt. Please stop and listen. Exactly. That's why I reiterate a lot, but I drive it home for a reason because the best way to posture ourself in relationship with the Lord is that of a child, is that of one who fully trusts our Heavenly Father, our beloved Jesus, holy Spirit, amazing Trinity. And when we posture ourselves as a child, then these kinds of things become very simple. And they might be complex in that it's way way too much for us, but it's very simple in the fact that when he said that he made provision for my freedom, he meant it. When he said that it's finished on the cross, he meant it. There is no exception. There is no. You are not the exception to the rule. I'm not the exception to the rule. Anything that I experienced is not the exception to that. There's full provision for whatever, everything that we have need of for life and godliness. He's provided.
Speaker 2:And so what we get to do, lenora, is I'm going to say it again because I really want to drive this home and that is if it does not look like Jesus, if it's not an abundant life, if it's a torment, if it's a fear, if it's an addiction, if it's anxiety, if it's depression, if it's relational tear, if it's a pattern, always marry the same one. If it's a pattern, always choose the same type of people. I'm always here. It's Groundhog Day. If it's a structure, if it's a self-hatred, if it's a judgmental, if it's the Lord hates me, the Lord's disappointed in me. If it's, whatever the message is, whatever the fear is, whatever the stronghold, the bondage, jesus died. He set us free and he delivered us. And whatever we have need of.
Speaker 2:If there's demonic oppression, he's the answer. If there's sickness, he's the answer. If there's a stronghold, he's the answer. No is finished, and he has made provision. And so now what we get to do is we get to allow Holy Spirit to highlight what it is that he wants to do in our heart next, in our heart next. And so I like to make an analogy of our lives. Much like the children of Israel invited into the promised land, okay. So when the children of Israel were given the promised land, it was a promise, okay, it's theirs.
Speaker 2:It's theirs, right? Just does the lord say oh guess what, I changed my mind. No, it belongs to them, right? And now we get to venture into the character of the lord. Does the lord give and take away? No, does the lord give something bad? No, does the lord give something. So all of these things come into account, come into play when we listen and we watch the process of the children of Israel possessing the land that was given to them without exception.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:Okay, it was given to Abraham. Okay. Then Moses said all right, I'm reminded this land that I'm looking at, as far as I can see, the Lord has given it to me, the Lord has given it to us, the Lord has given it to these people. It's a promise, therefore it's ours. And so what did he do?
Speaker 2:He sent in the 10 spies and, as as we know they eight of them come, came back with the report that the land's flowing with milk and honey, but there's giants in there and we are grasshoppers in their presence, and it's. They come back with the report the Lord's tricked us. They come back with the report that why did the Lord give us something? And then it has giants in it. He must not love me, he must not take care of me. There must be a mistake, there must be. Why did they come back with this type of report? Because they were seeing it through the lens of their own strength, their own limitation. They weren't holding on to the promise of this land has been given to you. They were seeing it as oh, god gave it to me, but it's my job to defeat and I can't.
Speaker 1:I'm a grasshopper. What are you thinking? I believe this about myself and I'm not. I can't. I'm a grasshopper. What are you thinking? I believe this about myself and I'm not capable, and they know I'm not capable. So what kind of joke was this? God Exactly.
Speaker 2:So their heart was filled with terror, unbelief, all kinds of stuff. And then they come back and they spread that into the camp, right? But there were two other people that went in and they went into the same land and they came back with a very similar report, didn't they? The land is flowing with milk and honey. There's abundance. There's great there, yeah, it's amazing. And there's giants in the land. They came back with the same truths, but with very different perspectives. Eight of them had the perspective of their own strength. Two of them held on to the promise that this is exciting. The Lord, this is the land the Lord gave us. Yes, go get it. The giants were not an issue for them, because they knew that the Lord had already made provision for the giants. They really came in with the perspective that they're already defeated because this is my land.
Speaker 2:This is my land. They're squatters. This is my land and I trust the Lord. It's very much like King David when he was up against Goliath, who the children of Israel were seeing the perspective of the giant and their own weakness. David was seeing the perspective of the Lord.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we have a covenant. Why is this guy so cocky? We're the ones with the covenant, that's what it is. Let's just put that. He was talking about covenant. Exactly, he doesn't have a covenant, we do. What's the problem?
Speaker 2:Let's go do this. That's right. He was holding on to the truth that what god says, god does.
Speaker 1:Yeah and so that's what we're saying, you're saying, happens. You're leading people right in this encounter with you. What I mean, really, it's bringing the lord right into this. He's already paid for this. I get the perspective of who you actually are, who he says you are, because it's who you are in him Exactly. And the giant gets slayed, exactly.
Speaker 2:And so what you get to do, what we get to do, is the children of Israel. They possess the land little by little, didn't they? Yeah, they possessed it. They grew in strength, they grew, grew in numbers, and as they grew they would bump into giants. And we grow, we live, and then we bump into giants. And then we live, and then we bump into giants. And then, when we bump into a giant, we get to remember.
Speaker 2:We get to remember oh, who am I, who is he and what's his perspective? Who am I? Who is he and what's his perspective? Who am I, who is he and what's his perspective? His perspective is it is finished. His perspective is I. When I promised it to you, I meant it, and so when he said it is finished, on the cross, he made provision for us to possess who it is, that we are and live in that abundant life. And so all I do every day is help people really connect with themselves and the Lord in places and remember who they are and bring forth that reality in places where they have believed a lie, lived in a lie, lived in a place of captivity, things that have happened to people, and we bring in the fact that and reconnect them with Jesus. In that place, watch and watch the salvation of our God and watch the freedom and watch them possess land that they didn't have before.
Speaker 1:And I've experienced it with you. I've watched it happen in front of me. This is the gospel. This is actually what we need to see happening, because it's been all done, and so you do this one on one.
Speaker 1:But you also like I first met you you come to the church and you're helping a whole crowd, a whole group of women understand this. And guess what, even I didn't share this with you since I talked to you last, just on last Sunday evening. I'm sitting next to a friend of mine and she ended up asking prayer for me on something and I could see what was going on in her heart and she recognized it too, and so we, right there, had this beautiful little exchange and it was like okay, god, I love you, jesus and susan. It's like the more we, you, understand how this is, the more you're just helping other people. You can, god can do it right with you in your own space and you, because he's done the work and he's the one who's doing it, whether it's with susan at your church or by yourself.
Speaker 1:He's the one who's done it. Yes, I'm doing the miracle. So it's just knowing. The practicality of this is right now god in us, who's done it all and desperately wants like I love how you've said it that the benefit of what, everything he paid for. He spent his blood for this freedom for us, yes, and he wants the reward of our freedom I set you free, to make you free. Yes, yeah, and he wants to see us free and he's there to do it right now right now, experientially yeah, yes, yes, so those.
Speaker 1:I know that we've gone a little bit of time here, so we've got to wrap this up, but I obviously I'm looking at the camera to the people that are listening to this. You can go to loved into lifecom, right, it'sorgorg? Loved into lifeorg, thank you, and see a little bit more exactly what we've been talking about. The sound bites that are going to be available are available on our website. You can schedule time with Susan, or you can have her come to your church or, if some of you can get on our schedule.
Speaker 2:Businesses, too. Businesses I love to work with businesses. Yeah Well, how do you do that with businesses? What we do is we deal with the things that hinder us from thriving in relationship, thriving in job, thriving in communication, anything where we're not thriving. This will help us to unpack what it is that's causing us to be able to do that, and so relational inner dynamics is 100% this, and so it's learning how to act as a team and anything that hinders that. We work on it and empower people to understand what's going on inside of them and be able to make remarkable changes. Many times they don't connect with the Lord, but they can connect with themselves and communicate to their own heart that this is over and it's done with. So there's many ways. Like I love it the psalm 130, verse 7, when it says there's a thousand ways to set us free, but any type. Anytime you've got people, there's an opportunity. Anytime you've got any structure, there's an opportunity for more relational connection, more relational freedom. It's a great foundation to build a healthy business. On.
Speaker 2:Wow, yeah, because getting them out of that virtual reality response into what am I doing, into being able to live more authentically, yeah, Let me interject this one last thing about brain science that I love that you just brought up, and that is that when we experience something that we don't have capacity for, we regress into our brain until we get into the fight, flight, freeze area and we're there, our relational circuits are off and we are no longer present.
Speaker 2:We are in self-preservation, and so what we want to be able to do is do life from a whole brain, which means both our thinking brains, both our thinking and our experiential brain, are thinking the same thing in union, and so what happens is that allows us to be in our adult brain, and when we're in our adult brain, we can be present in our true self, and so that's where we want our businesses to go from, that's where we want our lives to flow from, is from being in the present day with our adult self, relationally connected. So our heart is to be whole brain present, and what we understand is when we're present, that's when we really can encounter his presence in a fabulous way the transformational beautiful giant slang that I have experienced with you is nothing but a miracle, and Jesus is right they're the one who's done it, amen.
Speaker 2:He's loving us into life so we can live from our authentic heart, not our history right yeah, thank you, susan, for taking the time.
Speaker 1:Thank you for what you do. I hope people listen to this. We want to spread it as much as possible, just because it's needed everyone.
Speaker 2:Thank you, lenora. It's my passion to make this normal, because it is the gospel. He loves us and he wants us to not only know it in our, but also experience it, yeah.
Speaker 1:What he did it for, thank you. Thank you for listening and talk to you again another time.