Outgrow The Problem - E23

Happy New Year!  2021 is here. We don't know what we will face this year but today we talk about what we can do to outgrow our problems.

Kathy Townsend and Lenora Turner have a fun conversation talking about practical and creative ways to strengthen the body, the soul and the spirit.

Most know it takes exercise and good food to strengthen the body but can we exercise the soul?  Yes we can and it will make us stronger, and maybe help us conquer some problems along the way.

We can strengthen ourselves by putting different conversations in our head. If we don't have peace in our soul, then it's hard to give our bodies rest. We should do the things we can do to make ourselves healthier, to feel better and to be better.

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Bible Verses Mentioned in Show:
Proverbs 15:1  A gentle answer turns away wrath, but a harsh word stirs up anger.

Philippians 4:8  Finally, brothers and sisters, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable—if anything is excellent or praiseworthy—think about such things.

James 3:4  Or take ships as an example. Although they are so large and are driven by strong winds, they are steered by a very small rudder wherever the pilot wants to go.

John 14:9  Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?

Proverbs 18:21  The tongue has the power of life and death, and those who love it will eat its fruit.

Genesis 1:27  So God created mankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them.

2 Corinthians 12:9  But he said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.” Therefore I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so that Christ’s power may rest on me.

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Transcript

Outgrowing Our Problem

Lenora:  Welcome to 3Ps In A Pod, a podcast about purpose, pathways, and perspectives. And today with me in our first podcast of 2021 is Kathy Townsend. And Kathy and I want to talk a little bit about again, what is this podcast about, and what do we think we're going to do this year? And thank you for listening.

[00:00:30] And that we absolutely value your time and that you're listening. And we would love to hear feedback. We'd love for you to subscribe to this podcast. We'd love to hear what you think about this podcast and to go to Lenoradiane.com and get registered on the email list. Because we can help you be reminded also about what's coming out or if we're going to skip a week, because we did take a couple of weeks off, didn't we Kathy, during that holiday break. 

[00:00:54] Kathy: We did. We enjoyed the holidays. But happy new year and we're glad to be back.

[00:01:00] Lenora: Yeah. So, this week we are going to focus on, for one, thank God we get the opportunity to have a new calendar every year. It doesn't mean things everything's actually changed, but it sure feels like we dumped off a year we would love to all pass onto from the past. I don't know how to say it. We love to be done with. 

[00:01:23] Kathy: Right?

[00:01:24] Lenora: Even though actually I had some really good things happen this year. And then it was this bizarro. What the heck else could go on? You know? 

[00:01:33] Kathy: Yeah. You don't want to ask that question sometimes. You might not like the answer.

[00:01:38] Lenora: Yes. So, it's 2021. Clearly, we don't know what's all going to happen this year, so I've been pondering this stuff myself and I thought let's do an episode on, or just call it, outgrow the problem. I think so many times I have wanted life to just move the problems out of my way. I want a clear path, get out of my way and the problems don't necessarily move.

[00:02:05] Sometimes they seem to just jump in front of you. And I think more than ever, I've thought one of the purposes in life is to get stronger period. So, I'm focusing this year, partly on what else can I do to outgrow the problem; to get stronger than what I'm facing. 

[00:02:24] Kathy: That's good. Cause we're always going to have problems, aren't we?

[00:02:27] Lenora:  They come and go. I hate to agree with that. But yeah, but we do get some, don't we?

[00:02:36] Kathy: Yes we do. Yes we do. So great. Do you think that there is a way that we can get stronger in dealing with our problems then? Is that what you're talking about? 

[00:02:44] Lenora: Yeah. Like I said, I often want my problems to just move out of my way. You know, when you think of a toddler or when little kids and they want their toy and they can't get to it. So they just fuss and they stand in front of whatever's hindering them and cry and they throw a fit until somebody moves the problem out of their way and hands them their toy or whatever it is they're trying to get.

[00:03:04] And we can do that as adults. We just stand there and whine and wanting somebody else to move the problem out of the way. And sometimes that happens and sometimes we maybe need to whine and, and some people who are responsible need to get something out of the way. So that's never not maybe the whining isn't good, but, but challenging someone else to stop hindering something is it's a good thing.

[00:03:25] But I think this year I'm focusing all the more on my ability to be creative. My ability to deal with the problem. Like instead of crying and waiting for someone else to do it, I can say if there's something in front of me, maybe I should learn how to be a hurdler. I ran track. I was never a hurdler, but you know, that's, it's tough to say that sometimes if you say it too fast, hurdler, hurdler, but jumping over a problem, you might be better at getting over something or.

[00:03:56] If it's a weight, become a weightlifter, be able to lift a little more weight, or climb, learn how to be a climber or, or make a tool, get creative and find another way. So what responsibility can I take? What can I do? 

[00:04:11] Kathy:  Oh, I like that. That we have some things we can do.

[00:04:15] Lenora: Yeah. I mean, if you think about it, a human being is, just from my background and knowing that we are going to talk for a few minutes here on a couple of topics. There are so many things we won't say. And I always want to remember when we have this podcast. And I think I'm sharing an opinion that somehow; I think is important for some reason.

[00:04:34] I think that, that there's an old saying that says we get it wrong nearly every time we open our mouth. So, if something we say on this podcast helps you as listener, take it. If not just forget about it.

[00:04:48] Kathy: Please.

[00:04:48] Lenora: So, say she wasn't even considering this perspective. Yeah, there's a lot I'll miss. So a few thoughts we'll put out here, but back to what I was going to say is as a human being, I think we have a body, we have our soul, our thinking, our emotions, and we have a spirit.

[00:05:07] So I think we can do stuff with those parts of us to become stronger. 

[00:05:12] Kathy: Okay. So are we talking about body first then?

[00:05:16] Lenora: Yeah, might as well. Cause I think we tend to know a little bit about that the most. Most people these days see people that are, I mean, you, gosh, you get ads on any social media you have. Maybe I do because I look up certain things and then I just get so many ads on, on something to do with it, you know, weight loss or exercise or whatever. So, I think most of us have some kind of a perspective. Some of some people are experts. I certainly am not, but about, you know, working out, what can you do to make yourself stronger?

[00:05:47] I think most people realize if you can't lift very much weight, well, you need to lift the smaller weights for a while. You do get stronger and over time you can lift heavier and heavier weights to at least a certain capacity. And so, yeah, physically, are we doing things to make ourselves physically stronger?

[00:06:04] So, yeah. Talk about that first. And that can be exercise. Maybe it's taking a walk. There's a lot of things physically we can do, especially during this high stress time. I did a podcast not long ago with Dr. Jantz who's an international expert on mental health. And he was saying when stress goes up, self-care goes down.

[00:06:22] So the simplest things we can do for our physical health, we tend to neglect when we're stressed. So, for your body, you may need to make sure you're getting out, taking a walk. Are you drinking enough water? That is so simple and so easy not to do. And it really affects you. Now, like you said, are we going to talk about body first?

[00:06:42] And we have body, soul, spirit, but they are all connected. They're not completely separate every, each one of them impacts the other. So, I think sometimes we think they're so separated, and we think it's just one thing's the problem, well usually they're tangled up together. 

[00:06:57] Kathy: Well, that totally makes sense.

[00:06:59] Lenora: Yeah. So, it's like, I need to focus on what can I do physically, but then it doesn't stop there. So, it's take a walk, drink water. I don't know. I've thought of two things, Kathy, what else do we do? Physically?

[00:07:10] Kathy: Diet, what we're eating. 

[00:07:12] Lenora: Yeah, what do we eat? What are we eating? I rarely drink soda pop with a lot of calories and stuff, because I just thought, Hey, I can't do that like I could in my twenties or teens, or whenever I did that. So what am I drinking that's healthy for me? Processed sugars is one of the worst things you can do for yourself or against yourself. So can you be better at finding things that taste good, but aren't full of sugar? Anything to help strengthen myself physically.

[00:07:41] Kathy: Yeah. 

[00:07:42] So, clearly this is not going to be an expose' on what to do for your body, because we thought of three things, but who we are is all tangled up together. And think about that. What am I doing that can help myself physically? 

[00:07:54] Lenora: Okay. Well, I liked that you said lifting weights makes you stronger. And that's kind of what we're trying to talk about is to be stronger in all of those areas of our lives.

[00:08:03] Yeah. And because when you think of your soul, I think your mind, your emotions, your will, that we don't necessarily think of that as something we need to work out, like we do our body. People tend to know that if you want to get stronger, physically, you got to do some actions to do that. I think sometimes we just expect ourselves to have a strong soul, a strong perspective, a good attitude. That we're somehow just automatically gonna wake up with it or not.

[00:08:31] Instead, I am thinking more and more, and I have had pastors and teachers help me think more about what can I do to strengthen my mind, strengthen my emotions, help my soul be healthier. 

[00:08:47] Kathy: So just who you are is not who you have to be, is what you're saying?

[00:08:51] Lenora: Yeah. Well, and you want to like who you are as you, as far as your being, your personality, some really cool things.

[00:08:56] It's innately you and uniquely you, but I can change my attitude. I can get a different perspective. I can approach things in ways I'd never thought of before. 

[00:09:08] Kathy: Hmm. 

[00:09:09] Lenora: I remember taking an improv class years ago. I was trying to learn how to lighten up, have more fun with it. I wanted to do some acting things at the time.

[00:09:17] And I took an improv class. And an improvisation you have these games and you come at these games. And one of them was like a tag. Somebody came in, had a scenario, they played a character a certain way, and with an improv you just technically say in quotes, yes. You, you take, say yes to the scenario, you jump in and you play off whatever they're doing, and you are making up a scene as you go.

[00:09:41] And then you'd have somebody tag one of the two people; they'd come in and start a new scene. All of a sudden, you're playing a new game. Well, in this particular case I was in a scene with someone. I came into the scene; they were being very confrontive. And so I was, you know, arguing back and we had this weird little whatever scene.

[00:10:00] And then somebody tapped us. I stayed in, they tapped the other person out, and they came in and came at me with a very strong, again, argumentative scenario. And I was like, okay, guess we're going here again. So, I argued back. And the teacher stopped it and said, Hey, no, no, Lenora, you're supposed to do something different.

[00:10:20] And I was like, well, but, but they did the same thing that was like, clearly, they're looking for a fight. And they said, well, no, you need to be different. And okay. And it was actually some of this, sadly, this epiphany, thank God it was a long time ago, where I was, it occurred to me for the first time, I did not have to respond the way they were attacking me; the way that they were approaching me. 

[00:10:47] And I took a totally different approach. It felt actually kind of unnatural. And, and we ended up totally shifting having a very different conversation and it ended up this here's this improv game. And I get this epiphany that I don't have to respond the way that I think someone was responding, you know, provoking me to respond.

[00:11:08] And I realized that truthfully in life, sometimes I would go down a comfort zone path of immediately put your, like your emotional dukes up and you get defensive. And it was natural for me to, Oh, this is what we're doing. Okay. I'll go down the self-defense path and fight you back with my words instead of going totally a different angle approaching it differently. And it was amazing how we had a very different exchange. And then we continued and went on and played these improv games. But that's a way you can strengthen your soul is to realize I don't have to respond the same way I've always responded to XYZ situation.

[00:11:50] And in improv, what was kind of fun is that it wasn't really real. And so you could change it and you weren't really threatened. It felt weird. Cause somebody who seemed like they were attacking you, but it wasn't a real attack. It was a pretend attack, pretend about an argument, but in our soul, there's a lot of different ways we could think about things.

[00:12:09] There's ways we could approach things differently, but we haven't worked that out. We haven't tried it before. And if you first tried, it feels weird. But you can get good at it. You can get good at, well, I think this popped in my head, "A soft answer, turns away wrath, but angry words, stir up a fight." I don't have to respond with angry words.

[00:12:33] It seems like, well, that, but it makes sense. Well, yeah, but you don't have to. So I don't have to get angry when somebody does yet another to me, dumb thing that you see on the news or whatever. But, beyond that beyond my response with my soul, I can strengthen myself by putting different conversations in my head. In improv you got whatever somebody jumped in on and I chose how I responded. But for me, I can't even hardly describe how little news I watch compared to a year ago. I didn't think I watched that much a year ago, but I started to when the thing was first going so crazy. And I watch so little because I can pretty much tell from the headlines where it's going to go.

[00:13:17] And I don't, I don't want to hear it. I don't want to stress myself out. Now I don't want to be ignorant and different people have different roles and things they need to be aware of. I don't literally have to know everything. And I choose what I want to do. I'm choosing more, I'm getting stronger at what I put in front of my eyes and into my ears.

[00:13:35] That is a workout. 

[00:13:37] Kathy: Okay. And that changes how you respond or react to different things. Conversations...

[00:13:42] Lenora: Well, in some cases it changes what's in my head to respond to. I don't need to know every argument going on. It's like, there's another old saying that says, when you start arguing with each other all the time, "be careful less you devour each other."

[00:13:58] It tends to just get worse and worse and worse, and it just gets a bigger messier fight and just go, you know what? I'm going to exit this. I don't have to know all the arguments. I don't have to know, and that's not my lane. Yes, I want to know certain things, but I there's a lot I don't need to know, and I'm not gonna pretend I need to know it. 

[00:14:18] So I'm gonna make sure I'm protecting my heart. I'm going to have peaceful places. That doesn't mean I'm pretending everything's fine in the world and there's no problems. It's just, I'm not going to make myself overanxious about stuff that makes no sense for me to dwell on.

[00:14:33] Kathy: Right. And then that impacts your sleep, that impacts your stomach, that impacts your relationships, that can impact so much of your health. So, you're not as strong as you could be. 

[00:14:43] Lenora: Oh yeah. 

[00:14:44] And I typically, thank God, sleep very well. But I choose what I focus on. Absolutely choose what I focus on. So, cause I think sleep is valuable.

[00:14:53] I've had a couple of seasons in my life where I really did have challenge with sleep. But I really focus on where I'm going to get my peace. And so then I can sleep and I sleep well. I don't want to make that sound way easier than it is because there's a lot of factors and I'm not going to pretend I've dealt with what some people have dealt with that have challenged their sleep.

[00:15:11] Kathy: Oh absolutely. 

[00:15:11] Lenora: But I know what I can do and what I've done to, to help my own sleep. Cause I think that's incredibly important. Well, which again, it puts the soul and body together. See if I don't have about a peace in my soul, then it's hard to give my body rest. 

[00:15:23] Kathy: So, we should do the things we can do to make ourselves healthier and to feel better and to be better.

[00:15:32] Lenora: Yeah. Yeah. And I think it, you can get a real habit. . You can get into a habit of thinking, the more you think about negative stuff, the easier it is to think about negative stuff. And we've had plenty of things to grab a hold of and focus on. So, so I get it and I've been there. So I, I have to choose and it's like a workout for my soul to say, I'm going to choose whatever's good.

[00:15:56] Me, this jumps over to the spirit side, whereas cause I I'm a Bible girl where you go, okay. It says "Whatever's good, whatever's praiseworthy, whatever's virtuous. Think on those things.", it's a choice. And so I've had to go and it really helped me to say, whatever's good. Well, you go, “There's not much good.” 

[00:16:12] Well, is there something good? Focus on that. I tell you it's a choice though, but the more you choose it and the more you find out that life feels a lot better when you can choose it. And again, I'm not pretending that there's no problems or nothing to solve. But I can certainly choose what I'm going to focus on and what I'm going to use.

[00:16:31] Whatever I can deal with, but a step I can take, something I can do, something that did happen well, you know, whatever. 

[00:16:38] Kathy: Right. 

[00:16:39] Lenora: I know I'm keeping this really simple, but sometimes simple really helps me. 

[00:16:43] Kathy: Right. Small steps can make a big difference. 

[00:16:45] Lenora: Yeah. Well you add them up and eventually you get somewhere, you know, taking steps.

[00:16:50] Kathy: Right. That's good. 

[00:16:51] Lenora: And now you're going to, time's going to go by. I want to get stronger one way or another. Time's going to go by. So, I might as well keep taking steps to get stronger.

[00:16:59] Kathy: Okay. So, what about relationships?

[00:17:01] Lenora:  That's been tougher this year too. You either were kind of put in a quarantine with a bunch of people or kept away from a bunch of people by being quarantined.

[00:17:10] Kathy: Yeah. 

[00:17:10] Lenora: So, there's so many different scenarios and versions going on. For me, I at times have been around people a lot and other times the opposite. So you have to choose to make connections. You have to choose to reach out. Choose to let people in. Choose to share when you're struggling. It's a workout to sometimes humble myself and ask for help when I've needed it, or be the encourager when I didn't think I had something great to say, but say it anyway. 

[00:17:35] Say something kind to somebody. So strengthening your soul is partly building partnerships, building relationships, strengthening the friendships you do have, rebuilding something, whatever. 

[00:17:48] And then if you've got a lot of people around you, then it's how do you get along better? How do you communicate better what you need and what you don't need? Right now, I don't need you to fix me. Right now, I need you to just to listen. But tell somebody the expectations, rather than expect them to read your mind. So any of those things are strengthening your soul, and it affects your, your physicality.

[00:18:09] You know, again, we're all tangled up spirit, soul, and body. I hope this is making sense, just touching on stuff. 

[00:18:16] Kathy: Yeah, no, I think it's good.  So, you said something about earlier when we were talking something about rudder and rudder on your ship. 

[00:18:24] Lenora: Oh yeah. Yeah. You and I were talking before the podcast actually recorded. It's a favorite Gosh, what do you call it? A favorite story, a favorite, a favorite analogy that has become to mean a tremendous amount to me.

[00:18:37] And that's from actually, it's a, again, a Bible thing, James chapter three, it talks about a rudder on a ship. A rudder is small, and it can direct a really big ship or a bit in a horse's mouth. The bit the thing you put in there can steer the whole body of the horse. It's a very weighty animal and that little thing steers it just like a rudder steers a ship.

[00:19:01] And it says that our words, our tongue is like the rudder on a ship. So I think our words are more powerful than we give them credit for many times. What we say to ourselves, what we're saying over and over has a huge, enormous impact on our life. Humans are the only ones who have a full-on full language.

[00:19:21] Certainly some animals have a certain ability to connect in a certain communication ability, but nothing like what we have with our words. And it says, if you will use your words, choose your words. And it does a very powerful thing in steering your life, steering the health of your soul. It certainly you affect your own expectations.

[00:19:39] I think science is catching up to what has been said for centuries scripturally is that life and death are in the power of the tongue. If you're always speaking death, if you're always speaking misery and always speaking the worst, you're going to really lower your own expectations. You're gonna not make yourself feel very good.

[00:20:00] And it's amazing how saying a bunch of encouraging things can encourage your heart and your mind in surprising ways. 

[00:20:09] Kathy: So, you're talking about not just words to other people, but words to yourself. 

[00:20:13] Lenora: Yeah. Self-talk’s a big deal. Of course, that's a lot of internal, quiet stuff we don't realize only we're hearing it, but voids a workout to keep choosing the right ones.

[00:20:21] Again, it's not about being Pollyanna and pretending there's no problems. It's choosing a path in a storm. It says a writer on a ship can steer a ship, even with very strong winds, if you're a skilled captain. So, we can get skilled with our words to say things that can really help us in the midst of a very difficult time in life.

[00:20:42] So it takes some skill, it takes some choices, but it really can make a difference in how we see ourselves, how our hope is, what we think is possible, how we help ourselves be open to what's possible. So, it's just powerful. 

[00:20:57] Kathy: So maybe replacing negative words or words that we've always said, or have been said over us, replacing those with something more positive, something that...

[00:21:06] Lenora: You know yeah. That's brings up a good point because I don't know what the listener or whoever, you know, I don't want you've, how you were raised, or if you were told what you can do, you can do anything. You're so smart. You're so beautiful. You're I just love you. You're so valuable. Someone who was given those words over and over again, has a lot to work with in hope and to fight against problems.

[00:21:28] If someone was told you're not valuable, I didn't want you. You're ugly. You're Oh my gosh. Those are horrible words. And you hear something enough, especially for someone that was an authority in your life, you will begin to believe it. And what you believe can be so destructive. If you were told you're not valuable, I don't care who said it, they were wrong.

[00:21:53] So you have to get around people, put words from somebody who's, maybe it's a motivational speaker or a pastor. Get some words into your ears, into your heart that tell you the truth, which is you are valuable. You do have hope; you can get through this. There can be solutions. It's a big difference.  Absolutely a massive difference. What you hear and what you believe.

[00:22:22] Kathy: Right

[00:22:22] Lenora: Words are powerful. 

[00:22:25] Kathy: That's good. 

[00:22:26] Lenora: We just kind of assume we've all heard the same basics. We think well how come I'm encouraged and they're not. Well, I don't know what's going on in their head. I don't know what was said all their life about them.

[00:22:34] And it's a big deal. So if you weren't given words, great words about who you are. And obviously life takes work and choices, and we have failures, and we have to forgive ourselves. We have to sometimes go, "Wow, I really screwed that up and I have to forgive myself and maybe that really was something stupid that I did."

[00:22:52] But that doesn't mean I am always that person. Just go, "No, I can make a different choice. I can recover. I can rebuild." All of the sudden, the bionic man comes to mind, "We can rebuild him. We have the technology." Wow. I'm that old. $6 Million Man, if anybody knows that reference. Anyway, words matter 

[00:23:12] Kathy: Words matter. That's great. And you know, our God loves us and he cares about us and he speaks good things over us. And we need to know that. We need to just be aware that you know, there are some really good things that are spoken about us by him, our creator and that's. You know, that's so much more, that should matter more than what somebody else maybe has done in our past.

[00:23:36] Lenora: Well, that jumped right into the spirit, huh. Which and from our reference being the Bible girls that we are, meaning that we like the Bible, we think it actually is a book that's God's words, even though it's written by a bunch of different people over centuries. And the principals are powerful.

[00:23:54] They're amazing. And , I have sunk into that as the source of my rudder. In other words, I'm going to get the dictionary for what I choose, or if dictionary's the right word, the, I don't know what the right word is, my source from where I'm going to say, what is my value? What is the hope of life?

[00:24:18] What is the point of all kinds of stuff? What are the ways to do things and how, how do you get out of failure? All those types of things.  I go back to the source that I've sat on and decided, you know, after plenty of studying and research that yep, yeah that's for me. And I'm convinced and I don't know whether you're convinced or not, that's where I'm, that's where I'm going to sit for my soul.

[00:24:42] So yeah. So, when you say what God says about me, we're meaning we're going to that source of what the Bible says. And it's funny because have you heard a lot of people say, no, I don't understand the Bible. I don't, well, the truth is most people don't read it very much of it. So, it's like, well, at least when I've had conversations with a lot of people is the truth is they don't read it very much, because there's so many stories and so many things I know and go, well, you don't have any idea what I'm referencing and that's not, I'm not saying there's something wrong because you don't.

[00:25:14] But it's funny if someone says that the Bible doesn't make sense or there's so many things that whatever they say, and I, if I talked to them at all, most of them have read very little or Haven't studied it. And somebody is, some people say, well, I don't have to study it. Well, well, do you want to become a, if you want to become a doctor, you got to study it.

[00:25:34] You want to be a scientist, you better study. You're going to be an engineer. There are some things you gotta learn. I think your life is more valuable than your occupation. And for me, that's my main source of where I'm going to get the definitions of life for me. 

[00:25:52] Kathy: Right. Hearing about it from our creator.

[00:25:54] Lenora: Yeah. Even if you make your whole focus, some of the, the story of Jesus and watch him, like you're watching a movie read, keep rereading and the book and reread the book of John a bunch of times or some of the new Testament books. And you'll find that he's saying, Hey, if you've seen me, then you've seen what God's like, so then just study Jesus.

[00:26:14] There you go. Just read that, read the book of John over and over and go, Oh wow. God must really be straightforward and honest and not afraid of people and powerful. You go, Oh, well I want that. I want that kind of freedom. 

[00:26:29] Kathy: We are created after him, I mean, in His image. 

[00:26:31] Lenora: That's what it says, you know, but it says he's the one we got to go to as, as the source and say, you know what?

[00:26:36] We all have weaknesses. We all have weaknesses, but he says we can actually learn to enjoy weaknesses, which I thought, what the heck you can take pleasure in weaknesses? If you recognize that an opportunity to plug in to the partner who is intended for you, which has gone, and he wants to help you out and he's powerful and he can pick you up.

[00:27:00] If you fell down, he can help fix things, all that kind of stuff. So these are big topics, but we have a spirit, we have a soul, we have a body, and we can get stronger this year.  

[00:27:12] Kathy: That's good news. Woo-hoo I mean, let's, let's do that.

[00:27:16] Lenora:  Yeah. Cause I can't guarantee anything else. I don't know what all we're going to face, but I am going to focus on what I can control, and I can at least control my choices.

[00:27:25] And did we, did I make this way too simple? I don't want to pretend that getting through these challenges is just crazy easy.

[00:27:32] Kathy: Well, no, it's not, but there are some things that we can do. Small steps we can take that. Get us further that bring us closer that make us stronger. 

[00:27:42] Lenora: Yeah. And I think that we, I have a lot more potential than we often realize. But you need hope. If you have a desire, you're going to get up and do something.

[00:27:50] So you need hope. You need hope for a good future, but as a human being or our creativity and the potential is. Profound. So, let's work it out, get stronger and make this the year of getting stronger than the problem outgrowing the bro.

[00:28:08] Well, we hope you have a good week and please do subscribe to the podcast. The episodes will vary quite a bit.

[00:28:16] Again, sometimes it'll be an interview, just someone's career story. That's very different from us. So thanks for listening. Thank you, Kathy too. 

[00:28:24] Kathy: Thank you. 

[00:28:26] Lenora: And thanks for listening to 3Ps In A Pod.